The bottom line? For a Christian to deliberately, knowingly, willfully choose a life of sin may start a chain of events that, if not checked and repented of , can lead to apostasy and catastrophic judgment. NLT … The Lord will not forgive them for that. It is a fearful thing to knowingly oppose the Lord! Of course! But in what context? Yet many Christians tragically misunderstand grace as loose, permissive, and unrelated to biblical holiness.
No, we are to put off our old self … be made new in our minds … and put on the new self. Well, look at the verse above. Probably none. And, as I have already repeated, that includes if you think you are going to heaven! Now I certainly believe in the security of the believer! But, I certainly do not believe in the security of the non believer that thinks that they are a believer, that has been convinced, through false teachings, that they are believers when they are not! These kinds of teachings like the one you have here is having false converts never find out that they are not really in the faith!
This is a horrible tragedy, in my thinking, and I cannot stand by idly when I see it! I called out to God to save me when I was He miraculously worked in response to my cry! But I was 44 before I could say with assurance that I was in Yahshua. I looked back on all of the willful sin that had still been in my life after crying out, and I could see that I had been loving that sin more than I loved the Father, and the Son.
Until I came to a place where I was ready to lay it all down, I did not have eyes to see, or an ability to face the truth about myself! I saw that I had not been in the faith, but had only really acknowledged that I needed to be in the faith.
I was in a wilderness where God was getting me to a place where I could even conceive of entering in to His promised land.
This is the context of all of my previous statements here. I am in faith based on the fruit of my life. I am not trying to earn my salvation! I am just cooperating with the Spirit in me, to the praise, and honor of the Father, and the Son!
Having seen all of this, how the promised land is attainable, and meant to be possessed, I want everyone to have opportunity to go in! I am in agreement with God on this! You keep assuming certain things about my belief, and then accusing me of these things. Here is my suggestion. Before we continue this conversation, study up on what I believe, and then bring your questions.
Just look through the archives of this blog, or do some searches using the Google Search button. I am glad that you want to teach the truth as you see it, but my blog is not the location for you to do that. Instead, I recommend you start a blog of your own and let people come to you to ask questions and to learn. When I received the truth in that verse, I could no longer justify being a willful sinner. God had got me to a place where I could face the truth about my sins, and about how I was really a lost sinner that knew his need for a Savior, but had not really repented of ALL my sins.
Your explanation of this verse would not have accomplished this in my life, but would have allowed me to continue justifying the sin in my life, to the glory of satan!
That is the best test that I know of for interpreting hard passages, and for determining whether someone has really received the true gospel! I am probably ill equipped to post a reply to this discussion but I have some questions? If a person commits a sin is it not he or she that commits the sin and ultimately resposible for the consequences? Is not the consequence of sin death?
Is there anyone who is righteous who walks or has walked this earth as a human being, except Jesus Christ? Can people attain Godly perfection in their lives by their own doings? If our fleshly, carnal bodies can become perfect, why do they die? Where is it stated that we can attain forgiveness and heaven by anything other than believing the Grace of God through, in and of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ?
If not for Jesus Christ would not just one sin qualify the sinner for an eternity without God? I am not trying to be a wise acre with this post! It seems to me that we are all sinners and always will be as long as we are in these bodies and there is no hope in anything we can do of or by our own selves.
My intention has not been to be mean spirited to anyone or in anyway. I think you pretty much have it right, you seem to be pretty well equipped to me. Repentance is a work and if we really had to repent of all of our sins before God could save us then there would be no hope for any of us. So I think it truly impossible to repent of all our sin, I would even say that just confessing all our sin is impossible. The fact is, that the Good news is not that God gives us the power to keep the law better, Romans 7 pretty much rules this out, no the good news is that God DID what the law could not do and in Christ fulfilled the just requirements of the law as we see in Romans 8.
If you think that Yahshua had special powers over, and above what we have access to that enabled Him to obey God, that would be saying that He did not come in the same flesh that we are living in. That would be saying that He did not really lay down all of His power when He came to this world, and that none of us could ever follow in His foot steps. But He did! And since He is our Forerunner, we are supposed to run after Him, and run the same way that He ran!
He lived by the Spirit, and we are given grace to do the same, if we only could believe! And then, after throwing ourselves on the mercy of God for forgiveness, we would also throw ourselves on His mercy to cause us to will, and to want to do His good pleasure.
But for the believing, He is faithful to bring it to pass! Repentance from all known dead works is the first teaching of Our Savior. Then after that He taught faith in God. I would know because I tried to do it the other way, but like the Word predicts, it does not work!
I am sorry that you are of this mind! Romans is clear in defining your, our every person state of and in sin! Rom For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? Rom And not [rather], as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say, Let us do evil, that good may come?
You tell a true brother that he is deceived for believing that the resurrection power of Yahshua is strong enough to cause him to die to all sin, becoming a mature man, giving Yahshua a place to live in the earth in him by His Spirit, and so have a place in the earth to live out His nature, and character, to His glory, and the glory of the Father.
But you tell a false brother that he is doing very well in his ongoing practice of sin, as he acknowledges his absolute, and unchangeable inability to ever leave sin behind. Rom What shall we say then?
Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Rom Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection: Rom Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Rom For he that is dead is freed from sin.
When you repent — turn away from — all known sin, you are dying, and being buried with your Savior. You must die before you can rise! You teach that we can never really die to all of the world, the flesh, and the demonic, so for you, that is your confession, and that is your reality.
Rom Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God. Rom For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom What then? God forbid. Rom Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Rom But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. My confession is that I am dead to sin, and alive to God, so, God honors my faith, and brings to pass what I am confessing!
I am not condemning anyone here! I am hoping that you can get in on this newness of life! Is there anything wrong with finding yourself as the recipient of the free gift of walking in the God kind of love, where you see God loving through you, and manifesting His fruit instead of the fruit of the devil?
Or do you really think, as it seems you are saying here, that God gets more glory from those that confess that, as long as they are in this world, they will be in bondage to a certain amount of sin, than from those, like myself, that confess that they are free from sin, and servants of righteousness through the power of Yahshua? By the way, even though I have not quoted chapter, and verse on all of my comments, everything I have said has been straight from the Word!
And I do it by faith in my Savior, Who is my only boast! This is all the gift of God! I believe you are sincere in your understanding but your position is not quite reconciled with the Bible in its entirety. You treat the sin issue appropriately by attributing great importance to not sinning, but in your zeal you do not treat the human imperfection and sanctification and glorification processes of God correctly. My advice is that we should not interpret the bible we should take it as it, and do what it says.
This are warning that we are given, we should not talk about grace to excuse our self from the will of God. We should try by all means to please God. But some of the sins we do them knowing that we are committing a sin, this sin are adultery, murder, hate and etc.
The day of judgement will come, they will be no excuses on that day, every man will be facing his own judgement. I repeat not everyone who says lord lord will see the kingdom of God, if u read that bible you will know who are those people. The question is are you the one, then do something about it.
If you are truly born again the holly spirit will guide you. Everyone interprets the Bible. Even you. There is no such things a straightforward reading of the Bible.
Come on get real samson old testement its in there wilful sin my definition is walking away from the Lord and doing opur own thing knowing what you should do but still do what you want to do.
In the life of Samson WE SEE Gods forgiveness and the sacrifice is the same as today repentence we are saved by the grace of God if we turn from our own way. He was disobedient to his parents and to the Lord his heart was no different from ours wilfully disobedient he chose sin over the Lord all the time sleeping with prostites and lying with foreign woman going his own way and yet God saves him not only that he was Gods chosen instrument to deliver his people.
The sad part is his term was only 20 years if he had walking in the ways of the Lord he should have had that ministry for 40 years that is the term of completion. We cut ourselves short when we choose sin over the Lord which is an idol by the way. We all have those areas in our lives that we keep to ourselves thats wilful they are our demons and our comforters. Until we surrender all to the Lord we cannot be overcomers and will be influenced by satan like samson it is clear warning to us wilful sin or making sin an idol in our lives has consequences better to serve the Lord with all our hearts even though samson didnt for much of his life God still showed him his grace and faithfullness.
You can also see wilful sin in the Life of David yet God saves him but not all were saved in the life of saul as he wouldnt listen to the Lord and kept walking according to his flesh. He used exclamation marks about as often as you do in these posts. In my view, anything that needs so many exclamation marks needs them to try to uphold the message where it would not stand without them. And it makes it less believable because of that. When writing, I do, in fact, struggle with where to include exclamation points.
I feel, sometimes, that I might be using them in too many places. But, when a command is given by our heavenly Father, and our Savior, I am compelled to include them, especially in this day when these very teachings are being trampled under foot.
So many are emphasizing His never ending willingness to overlook sin, which is a lie. There is an end to His willingness to forgive, and many presumptuously end up in that place like Esau, who sought repentance with tears, and could not find it.
That is why we are warned in Hebrews not to make that mistake. That is why we are told that if we hear His voice Today, not to harden our hearts, because there is no promise of Him calling us tomorrow! I have purposed to emphasize these Truths so as to fulfill my obligation to my Maker to warn about His coming judgment. If in my motivation to obey His command I have fallen short in my use of punctuation, please forgive me!
I am purposing to write as I am instructed by the Set Apart Spirit. I am probably not qualified to comment, but I believe that Paul teaches we are to have confidence in our salvation if we obey the Gospel? So yes, by all means we should refrain from sin, but I do not believe this will increase your chances of getting to Heaven per say. He was an ungodly man. I love this, very well said of the Truth. When delivered just says go and sin No more. Can two walk together except that they agree.
Be yee Holy etc. Paul, by the Spirit, warns us of a day, today, when cleverly devised fables would be taught in place of the gospel Truth. Demonic beings come along side of these false teachers to help them craft these lies. Ezekiel 22 talks about this. When one determines to go ahead with what they know is sinful, they are sinning against the Grace of Elohim, and trampling Yahshua under foot! We are told this in Hebrews chapter Look at Leviticus If we receive the grace of Elohim, we will be able to, and want to serve Elohim with reverence, and godly fear.
We see this in Hebrews Anyone that has truly repented of ALL of their sins, and then subjected themselves to Elohim understands what I am saying. Our Savior explains this in John 8. Heb For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Spiritual maturity is the goal, and is attainable! Those that listen to that lie get what they are believing for! If you live after the flesh, you are none of His. David, I am a born again believer and I believe, to my knowledge that I experienced all the blessings in Hebrews.
I believe the gospel, but I got confused when I read warning passages and began to be terrified of losing salvation. Please pray. I was saved a little over a year ago, had peace and joy for about 3 months, then fell into terror. My heart literally feels hard. I am terrified I am in a place of no repentance. HJ, I am praying right now for you. Salvation is a walk that begins when you are born again.
It is continuous. We cry out to Elohim to continue saving us. We cry out to Him to work in us to love Him properly. We cry out to Him that He would work in us in a way that would make us worthy of spending forever with Him. We believe that when we ask for good things like this, He does it! It is a continuous walk of faith. He did not give us a spirit of fear. Sometimes you have to cast a demon out, tell it to leave! We must not be passive! He is faithful, and just to forgive us, and to cleanse us — remove that tormenting sin from us.
We take every thought captive to the obedience of our Messiah. We cast down every thought that does not agree with what He says. If you are willing to obey the Father in any area of your life, and stand ready to repent of anything He tells you to, and your faith is in Yahshuah alone, you are walking in covenant. If you have sinned, it is normal to lose your peace for a time determined by your Father.
He is disciplining you. It may continue for a time after you repent, but you WILL get your peace back if you stick to your Father, and Savior. He disciplines those that are His own, and that He loves, so thank Him for that love. Thank you, Father, for your lovingkindness, Your covenant love, Your mercy on us, and patience! Please forgive us for our sins because of what Yahshuah has done on our behalf.
Do you have a new heart since your last comment? Have you been healed? Have no faith in your self for salvation ford is not by works we are saved have faith that Jesus Christ will continue his work and you continue to repent and asked to Lord for forgiveness and trust in him and his grace and love and mercy. So, when Jesus died, he indeed wiped away ALL of our intentional and un-intentional sins. If you are saved and if you fall into sexual sin, as an example, repent and call upon the blood and you will be saved.
But if you continue without repentance , knowing the truth, there is no sacrifice that can help you. This is referred to as blasphemy in the OT. This error in understanding is why our churches are filled with adultery and filled with homosexuality and filled with divorce; hardly a bride dressed in white. We are to judge sin correctly but leaving the judgement of the individual to the Father. This is simply not true; this speaks to willful sin. Even in Hebrews it acknowledges that people sinned in ignorance.
Have you ever been driving somewhere while talking to someone and looked down and saw that you were speeding? Were you intentionally speeding? In short, many sins are committed without thoughtful intent. Even that however can be forgiven with repentance and seeking forgiveness, however ongoing commitment to sin WILL cause you to lose your salvation. I believe if we were to consider this thought as a way to maybe think before we act…it goes like this: Intentional sin may separate us from God for the duration of said sin.
As a true Christian, God has given this thought to me as I try to understand why so many who attend a place of worship continue to sin like they have a permission slip to do so. Intentional sin can separate you forever. It was too late for them! To presume upon the grace of Elohim is like playing Russian roulette with your soul. If that is the most widely held doctrine there, who is in charge there? An image of a beast has been set up in what is supposed to be a place set apart to Elohim. And when the music begins to play, everyone must rise up to give worship to that image that has been fashioned to suit their worldly lusts.
I think I am saved, but I backslide all the time! David is making it sound like we never will sin. I constantly struggle with doubts of my Salvation. I never get joy and peace!
I just want Jesus! Yes, I want to stay away from sin, and I want to please the Lord. But, I am just so confused. I need help! I want to be sure if I am saved. There seems to be a great misunderstanding of what it means to be a Christian. He offers salvation as a gift to any person who believes the gospel and by faith receives His gift.
Once a person is saved they are indwelt and sealed by the Holy Spirit. They are united with Christ and placed into His body. They are accepted by God and imputed with the righteousness of Christ.
They are a new creation in Christ Jesus. God saves and keeps those who have believed the gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The key is to focus on the facts and not on your experience. I have had willful sin in my life and i do believe that hanging onto what we know is wrong not only makes one very uncomfortable ill at ease but will drag that soul to hell.
God holds a high standard and expects his children to honestly try n follow His example. Work out your salvation with fear n trembling because hell is real n grace is not to be trampled on. None of us are so blind as to not know when someone is not being sinsere God is no different. His conscience condemned him and he hid from God. IN the same manner of justice, Jesus gifted mankind with life by restoring what Adam lost and reconciling mankind again to their father.
When Adam became a prodigal son, there was of necessity, a mediator between the two parties until the time of reconciliation. God used prophets, priests, the temple cultus as middle men, mediators, until Jesus completed his mission and removed all elements of the temple cultus, 70 AD.
The gift of God is what? Spiritual reconciliation. Paul taught the gospel of reconciliation. Please go to biblehub. Heb The END of all things was Near. We are sons and daughters and have no need of mediators as we have direct access to our Father, any time, any where, any how. God is not an author of confusion even a child can have salvation we are to constantly stay in prayer repent praying for others Walk in faith Jesus Christ is the perfect example of how we are to live our lives have faith in him that he will finish the work he started in us!!
We are to be ready to confess our sins quicklyGod knows everything about each and everyone of us he knows our hearts he knows if we believe in his son Jesus Christ. One battle unbelievers never face or have knowledge of, is the battle a born again believer has with sin. Thank God that your sin bothers you. It tells me that you have a desire to draw near to the Lord in perfection. We will never be perfect until we are given our Resurrection bodies. If your sins do not bother you, you are in mortal danger.
Backsliding is not going to remove you from His love and forgiveness. Rather than being afraid of God, thank Him for His love, grace, and forgiveness in your life. I still have nightmares, and whenever I think of them, a sense of deep shame. Remember how even Peter denied the Lord, what 3 times? How Kind David committed adultery and impregnated the wife of Uriah and had Uriah sent to the battle in a place he was probably more sure to be killed. God rebuked David out of mercy and love and extended his grace, I believe David was forgiven even though he sinned.
Was he not already a believer? I think He quotes from the Law even. I think you are right. People have been set up. They have been lead to believe that people can keep sinning and go to heaven. Or better yet that they can live a sin free life. I see heaven as a huge arena with only a folding table set up in the middle of the field with a few chairs around it with a handful of people setting around wondering where everyone is. I just think though that instead of throwing people alive into a lake of fire that God would have compassion and just since no one can live a sin free life that he would just instantaneously at our deaths cause our existence to disappear.
And He is perfect always! If we say that this can never be in us, then we are arguing against the Word, and against our Savior, Who is the Word.
We must come to a place where we no longer have to side step certain parts of scripture. It says that we have yet to make peace with Him if we are keeping any idols in our life. We all stumble in many ways. Lord, give us this day our daily bread. Forgive us our debts as we forgive those, the debts of others. When we read it in the context of the entire New Testament and in the context of Hebrews, it becomes very clear that what the writer is talking about is a person who after receiving the knowledge of the truth then reverts back to just the same kind of attitude and lifestyle that he or she had prior to salvation.
After you get saved, your motivation is to please God and to do His will. Your passion in life becomes to please God. God was not a part of your life, and so you just dive headlong into willful sinning, lifestyle, practice, no resistance, just yielding.
And that person is in deep trouble as the author of Hebrews makes so plain, okay? Debts of shortcoming need pardon equally as do trespasses. But, as Paul teaches us, we may confidently count on forgiveness for evil things done unwittingly. See 1 Ti[mothy] ; Heb[rews] It is quite otherwise with sins of presumption , Num[bers] If persisted in, these induce death.
See 1 [John] A presumptuous sin is committed defiantly, literally with a high hand. Most people in ancient Israel were not offered the Holy Spirit at that time.
Their opportunity for salvation will come later, in the Second Resurrection. He was to be cut off physically; that is, he was to either be disfellowshipped or killed.
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